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Transcript of Macworld Podcast episode 820: What to expect in 2023 from Apple
RL : 2023 for Apple promises to be a big year . Will the Mac Pro offer big performance ? Will we see a supersized iPad Pro ? And how much bigger are the iPhone prices going to get ? It ’s our tone ahead at what we expect to see from Apple in 2023 do up on the Macworld Podcast . Stick around . Welcome to the Macworld Podcast . I ’m Roman Loyola [ RL ] here with Jason Cross [ JC ] .
JC : just aurora .
RL : And Michael Simon [ MS ] .
MS : Hello , sir .
RL : Last week , we accept a feeling back at Apple ’s accomplishments for 2022 . This time , we ’re going to bet ahead to 2023 with some melodic theme and predictions on what we think Apple will do . I thought we ’d do this by production category like we did last week .
So permit ’s start with a category that does not exist yet – AR and VR hardware because I have it away you guys desire to verbalise about that right off the squash racket . That ’s what everyone ’s waiting for .
JC : That ’s got to be the big affair . It ’s been a couple of years now where we ’ve been going , is it come next twelvemonth ? The odds are best for next year so far . No guarantee , but it seems like lastly we may actually see something next year . RL : Is it going to be a headset like the Oculus or … ?
MS : I think it ’s going to be close to that or possibly a HoloLens than it is to a pair of glasses .
JC : By what the computer hardware multitude say it is , is inside it , is go to be more like the Oculus with cash in one’s chips - through picture . It ’s get cameras and it egest through video . It ’s not lead to be clear .
MS : They seem to desire you to endure it outside . It ’s going to have to be somewhat slick . hoi polloi walk around with Oculus are going to be like , what on earth is that guy wire doing ?
JC : Yeah , I ’m not talking about the size of it of it . People say it ’s like high - tech ski goggles or something . I ’m talking about it ’s not go to be readable plastic you count through .
MS : Right .
JC : It ’s go to be an opaque affair that block out all your visual modality and they ’re going to pipe up in video recording from cameras to screens to provide your vista of the external universe . This first version is apparently that because judging from the presentation technology that they , all the hearsay say that they ’re obtain this clobber from these micro OLEDs from Sony and stuff , That ’s not how you would propose images onto clear plastic . That ’s a screen you look at . It ’s a bantam screen with really , really tiny pixel density that you look at .
This first version , which they might even pitch as a developer matter that anyone can grease one’s palms , but some expensive developer kit that anyone can bribe , is going to be that . Then the goggles or glasses or something that has a clean view of the outside populace with a projection on it , is a later ware .
MS : The rumors from several age ago that it ’s going to be like two , two or $ 3,000 for the first version of whatever this matter is . Since then , there have been rumour that there ’s a pro headset and a even headset . And so I do n’t have it off , mayhap that original rumour was for if it was releasing in 2021 , now that it ’s 2023 at the early , which , you know , they ’re not belated . But they ’re also not early . Like AR had its moment and it ’s kind of like , you know , people are like , all right , so the earphone matter , the Google Daydream and the Samsung Gear VR , that did n’t work . optic is like …
JC : That was all VR , yeah .
MS : Yeah , that was like the first iteration of this poppycock . think back when you may go to Verizon and get like a cardboard matter that you may build and pop your speech sound into ?
JC : Yeah .
MS : Like that stuff did n’t sour .
JC : optic is doing all correctly .
MS : Oculus is doing okay , yeah , but it ’s still not mainstream . Like it has n’t had that Orcinus orca diligence or that Orcinus orca something that ’s made it like a thing that everybody wants .
JC : Right . It ’s a worldwide consumer thing for regular people .
MS : Yeah . And it ’s comparatively low-priced . It ’s not super expensive . What ’s it ? 300 bucks ? Something like that .
JC : Yeah . A little more than that . And they ’re everywhere . I mean , they ’re at the big box computer storage and they ’re selling several jillion .
MS : And there ’s lots of commercials for them . You see them all over the home . There ’s a sports thing . There ’s dedicated sports VR that I see when I ’m watch football games and hooey . They ’re try on to make that push .
JC : That ’s VR , though , too . And PlayStation , PlayStation ’s VR , there ’s a new VR thing come . The only AR stuff that ’s ever go on has not ever come to consumer , right ?
MS : Yeah , Google Glass is the big one .
JC : Well , that ’s not AR at all . Never .
MS : Oh .
JC : That ’s a heads - up display . That did not change the view on your screen to match the surround at all . It just put a monocolored like – not monocolored , it just put a little bit of screen in front of your eye . As you moved your head and stuff , nothing switch . It was a heads - up display . Yeah , because otherwise , that would have been amazing tech for the time .
MS : Yeah , for the time . All right . So what like AR thing are out there ?
JC : The Microsoft HoloLens . That ’s real AR .
MS : Which is very , very expensive .
JC : It ’s very expensive . It ’s a business play . It ’s in factory and stuff like that . And it ’s great for that , but that ’s where it ’s at . And it ’s produce problems where it would never really be a consumer thing . And then what was the Magically try out ?
MS : Magic Leap . It was like a backpack you had to wear .
JC : Yeah , it had a Robin Goodfellow you put in your pocket and then a cable that went up to the glasses part and I do n’t even bang how many they ever send . I mean , they had some other adopters I think who got some from a hold list or I do n’t even remember but it ’s a few thousand . They never really went anywhere with that . That ’s kind of the only actual augment realness hooey .
MS : I sample the back at CES , I do n’t know how many yr ago back when I used to cover Android , I test HoloLens and a demo and it was fine . I did n’t walk away think , my God , this is the future of anything . It was just it was interesting and that was like this translation . It was whatever the version .
JC : HoloLens 2 .
MS : It ’s a new one since , yeah .
JC : Its main issue is that the AR part is a footling window in the center of your vision . It ’s not well-nigh wide enough . It ’s a petite little field of view . It does n’t have the barrage life , processing tycoon , field of study of sight , all these other matter necessary to be something you take the air down the street with and have a useful experience as a unconstipated person .
MS ; Even if we had n’t learn a individual rumour about what this is going to be , that ’s their play . They don’t … They’re a consumer company . They ’re go away to make consumer ware . It ’s go to be quite unlike from anything we get it on once it arrives .
JC : Yeah . I ’m curious how this first adaptation is going to … where its balance is going to be in terms of VR versus AR stuff because if they ’re doing what the late Oculus , that Pro Oculus , I ca n’t remember what they called it . Oculus does pass - through video . It ’s blocking out your screen , but it ’s get cameras and it passes through the video so you could see your surroundings . This was the first one where they did that in color . It ’s always a little janky because the resolution is not effective enough and the refresh is n’t debauched enough and it does n’t quite look like you ’re looking at realism . It ’s more just so you could not bump into thing and clobber .
MS : They do n’t recommend walking around with it on either .
JC : Well , yeah and it ’s not really made for that because they do n’t do thing like – they do n’t have location and stuff on it .
MS : It ’s called the MetaQuest Pro by the direction and it ’s $ 1500 .
JC : Right . The Quest 2 has pass - through TV but it ’s like super low rhenium and mordant and white and hooey . But if that ’s , technologically , if that ’s what Apple is doing , it ’s go to have to be really extremely in high spirits - quality pass - through video to be AR .
MS : Which is what we ’ve hear that it ’s insanely eminent character . The rumour are like 8 K screens , two of them , and an M1 processor .
JC : But the tv camera themselves that are pass video in have to be really gamy quality , HDR , crack miserable latency . There ’s a million proficient job they need to solve . Or it ’s just going to be a really crappy AR experience and mostly a VR headset . It is going to be this first matter , a mixed reality matter . It can do either .
MS : Yeah , they say that . All the rumors say sundry reality but the specific rumour we ’ve hear are in the main AR related . That ’s the draw . There ’ll be VR clobber . But yeah , the main thing is that they require it to be a wearable equipment like the Apple Watch that you exchange your telephone set with and you use out and about and do things with that you would normally go into your pocket , check your – I do n’t know , if you ’re looking at a restaurant , checker a carte du jour . I do n’t know what it ’s going to do , but it ’s going to augment your world in some way that is a gadget that you ’re going to want to have on you all the prison term and not just when you want to bet a game .
JC : It ’s going to have a developer SDK and an app storehouse and all that other stuff . The cause of death apps may be not from Apple .
The thing that take a shit me think it may in reality come up next yr , whatever it is , is that the late rumors advise that the heads of the package development for all of Apple ’s sort of heart apps like iMessage and Maps and stuff like that are now getting involve . That tells me like , okay , they ’ve got the computer hardware figured out to the tip where they can – the hardware and the software evolution and stuff like that visualise out to the point where they can broaden the circle of secrecy within Apple to convey in these important thing . They ’re not go to make these cat do everything twice and everything . They ’re drop dead to be in on the last yr getting some orca message experience or whatever .
MS : That ’s the three focuses of allegedly according to Mark Gurman ’s theme a duo month ago was messaging , communicating , medium , movies and stuff , and games . So there ’s a rumour that at iOS 17 , messages are lead to get a huge redevelopment which ties into what would happen here . like there ’s a lot of small-arm kind of falling into topographic point . And I agree with Jason . 2023 seems like the fourth dimension to do it .
First of all it ’s been a while since Apple had a bighearted splash , you have sex their products over the last few eld have been great but it has n’t been like you have it away … Apple Watch was a big deal , HomePod was n’t so there ’s still like there ’s what , seven or six or seven years between like the last handsome thing and now .
RL : If you were to visualise an announcement date , WWDC seems like an appropriate time ?
MS : I do n’t know well here ’s the thing it count on how they require to betray it if they ’re pitching into developers and they realize it ’s a thing that ’s out of reach which for consumers , both price and functionality , then yes . If they do want it to be something that get a raft of attention from consumer and people drop $ 1,000 or $ 800 , however much it ’s going to be , then they ’ll have a standalone event or tacking onto the iPhone consequence or something like that .
JC : I remember it really all just depend on how far along they are for button . If they actually desire to issue it in the fall of 2023 , I guess testify it at WWDC but not giving the Mary Leontyne Price and stuff , but actually showing the thing and get an SDK and pronounce developers can sign up to get a developing building block and stuff like that , that makes sense . And then in September at the iPhone consequence , we would get pricing and liberation appointment . If it ’s further off , it could also be something like they did with the Apple Watch where they kind of announce it with the iPhone event and it ships in the source of 2024 .
MS : Oh , next year . Yeah , sure . Yeah , there was a huge gap – Apple Watch was disclose in September , it did n’t ship till the following April . So they could dead do that . Same thing with the original iPhone , it was January to June . So that ’s not uncommon for Apple to do at all .
JC : Yeah , especially when it ’s a whole new category and they require to manufacture this thing . That remove away that force per unit area to try on and manufacture it in secret , which is really hard to do . But they could always have them at WWDC and it ’s like , well , here ’s what it is and here ’s what the specs are and here ’s how you educate for it . you may sign up for developers to corrupt a exceptional dev unit and then consumer pricing and really body politic during the fall . They can always do that too . We ’ll get a lot of more interesting rumors as the year rolls on , as 2023 pluck on . It ’ll set about to crystallize sort of like what this thing is and what it ’ll cost .
RL : Well , we always get a spring announcement , but the spring announcement could be the Mac Pro , perhaps an iMac Pro , and then WWDC gets dedicated to the headset . I could see that happening .
JC : For ironware , yeah . I stand for , obviously , they ’re going to talk about the new OS ’s at WWDC .
MS : Yeah , it ’s opine to be xrOS , which stand for Extended Reality OS . That ’s like a whole raw thing .
RL : More anticipated product for 2023 , I think , besides the headset , maybe the next most anticipated product for 2023 is the Mac Pro .
MS : I cogitate so , yeah . Even though 99 per centum of the mass listening to this are n’t going to corrupt one . It ’s still something we all – and I include myself there – but I dead want to see what it await like and what it does and what ’s inside and all that clobber .
JC : Yeah , strictly from a whether it ’s an interesting view , ripe ? Even though it ’s not for me and it ’s not for you and it ’s not for anyone , but it sure is interesting . Yeah . It ’s just fun to think what is Apple go to do for its most powerful computer .
MS : Is it a column ? Is it expandible ? Does it have slot for card ? There are a million questions . Is it an Ultra ? Is it something that we have n’t pick up yet ? Is there a novel Pro Display XDR that go with it with ProMotion ? There are a passel of doubt .
JC : It ’s two M2 Ultras . It ’s two to four .
MS : It could be . I intend , it could be .
JC : Yeah . It ’s going to have contour from two to four . No cards . Apple ’s going to call it expansible because it has Thunderbolt port . Well , I ’m putting my post in the flat coat now . It ’s going to be two Apple Studios stacked on top of each other .
RL : So you guy do n’t think they ’ll use a pillar like the current Mac Pro ? Or they ’re redefining the definition of “ tower ” for Mac ?
MS : It depends on the reenforcement for PCIx go-cart . If it does , if they team up with Nvidia or AMD or make their own , which believably is n’t going to happen , but if they support graphics cards or audio cards or whatever , ethernet cards , whatever you would need there , it ’s expire to have to be a tug . If not , the sky ’s the limitation . Look at the methamphetamine can . They ’ve done low-down designs with the Mac Pro before .
JC : I sense like no matter what it is , it ’s not going to be a column like the one we have . I think if you look at a lot of PCs , modest sort factor PCs that can fit a graphics card , they have a PCI time slot , but they ’re these piffling orthogonal privy . I cerebrate if it ’s get a slot you could use , it ’s going to be something like that . It ’s not going to be … fundamentally shrivel the current Mac Pro 50 percent in each direction , that form of matter . Because the need for the motherboard and all that stuff that they have now is just not croak to be there . The path they do their organisation on ships and clobber like that and cooling it and all that other , everything else about it , it ’s just not necessary .
MS : Yeah . I intend , look at the Mac Studio , which is essentially as tight as the current Intel Mac Pro in some measuring and it ’s what , an 8th of the sizing .
JC : I think you could stack a dyad of two or three of those on top of each other or something like that to get an idea of the volume of this thing , even if it ’s not the same shape that ’s just sort of …
MS : Well , I mean , that ’s the thing . Apple , over the years , the Mac Pro has been like its striking professional desktop machine . It always has a design that ’s very dissimilar from what else is out there . I ’m talking about in their own lineup like the G5 had that silvery spirit , the G4 had the door that opens and the hold , like it never quite matches the rest of the blood purposefully . Like they want to kind of set it aside . So I ’m singular to see invention - wise , what it look like .
RL : Stay with the Mac railway line . So there ’ve been rumors that Apple is going to occur out with an iMac Pro . Do you bozo suppose that will encounter ?
MS : Just this week , we got a pretty solid one . So , just a agile history , the iMac Pro was discontinued last year . It came out in I think , 2017 , I think . But never received an update . Was a good machine , but it was always experience as like a make-do between the cylinder Mac Pro and the new Mac Pro when it arrived . So that go away last year .
And then earlier this year when the MacStudio and the 27 - in Studio Display came out , the 27 - inch iMac travel away , the non-$5,000 one .
JC : Now the only iMac you may get , Max is out at an M1 , although they ’ll do an M2 update , but no Pro , no Max or Ultra or anything . And it ’s a 24 - in show and that ’s it . And that ’s a little small for some hoi polloi . That 27 - column inch size with the 5 K display was a mess nicer .
MS : Yeah , it ’s only three inches but it ’s a bragging difference when you ’re count at like , I mean , they make a 14 - in MacBook Pro and a 16 - inch MacBook Pro . So you’re able to , like it ’s apparently a dispute there in what you’re able to do and the size you want .
So there was a rumour this workweek that Apple was run to do out with a 27 - inch iMac Pro for whatever that really means , belike just M2 Pro , M2 Max processors sometime next year which would be I suppose good for the iMac line . I intend , I do n’t recognize how much they betray any longer because everybody loves MacBooks and everybody , you know , MacBooks are distinctly their number one seller .
JC : It seems like a given that it ’s just go to be , sure , it ’ll be M2 Pro and Macs , possibly Ultra but at least M2 Pro , you know , just like the MacBook Pro , you acknowledge , is . But I ’m interested in what they ’re going to do with the showing . Is it going to be like the Modern Studio Display where it ’s just a 5 K exhibit and that ’s it ? No high refresh rate , no variable refresh pace , no HDR , no none of that material . Or is it going to be a modern display that give you something more than just … the same 5 K presentation they ’ve had in iMacs and stuff for so many years .
MS : Right . We ’re blab out HDR , we ’re blab out ProMotion , the things that … so , the 27 - inch studio apartment display , it should be noted , has none of those thing . It starts at $ 600 and it ’s just .
JC : A 4.5 K display that ’s it . Is it 4.5 kilobyte or is it 5 K ?
MS : Oh , 5K. Oh , yeah . I ’m thinking of the iMac . The iMac is 4.5K.
JC : It ’s pretty much exactly the same as the 27 - column inch iMac ’s presentation except a slightly brighter , max smartness . Yeah . Still DCI-
MS : And it does n’t have a power button .
JC : Yeah , no power release and all these other uncanny things . I can see why they would n’t tot a size that big . I can see why ProMotion would be tricky because ProMotion is not just varying refresh rate , which is the larger deal . It ’s also up to 120 or 90 or something and I can see why that.–but they nonplus to do HDR , especially when they ’re doing all of this Apple TV stuff and everything . That ’s the killer . That is your slayer stream platform computer if it ’s 27 inch , has an HDR display , every residence hall elbow room in America is break down to need that because you’re able to complain back and watch it like a goggle box .
MS : Yeah , if you require an HDR show from For example , right now , you catch to spend $ 5,000 on the Pro Display XDR . It ’s crazy .
JC : Yeah . That ’s just screwball when you look at what the PC market ’s doing . The best , craziest QLED , backlit thing are $ 1,200 or something . They ’re not professionally calibrated and all that other clobber . Those are n’t pro displays , but just in terms of what you may get as a consumer , it ’s not even in the ballpark .
RL : speak of that Pro Display XDR , do you think that ’ll be replace once the Mac Pro gets released ?
MS : Yeah , I think it should be . I would acquire that come ProMotion . Maybe it make the studio display handling with the tv camera and speaker and stuff too .
JC : Yeah , that ’s the next matter it really needs . RL : The other new Mac that we ’re kind of desire for in 2023 is the replacement for the Intel - based Mac mini , which is still in Apple ’s lineup .
MS : If they sell two of those a year , that ’s too many . They have to get rid of it , which they do n’t really involve it with an M2 . If they put an M2 in there , it ’s o.k. or update it . One of the two things has to happen . It ’s criminal that they still deal that matter . It ’s $ 1,100 . It ’s more than the M1 version and markedly slower .
JC : It all just needs an update . They demand a slightly young invention with more embrasure and stuff like that and then scrap the Intel .
MS : The M2 came out in June at WWDC and then their 13 - inch MacBook Pro got it and the MacBook Air nonplus it and that ’s it . So the iMac is still M1 , the Mac mini is still M1 and it ’s strange that Apple did n’t advance at least the Mac miniskirt which came out at the same prison term as those other two estimator with the M2 . So the rumor that we listen today was that maybe they would put an M3 in the Mac mini later this yr and then an M2 in the Mac mini in the spring with the M2 Pro lead in the Intel adaptation that ’s still being sell . So I do n’t know how any of that , yeah , I do n’t know how any of that kind of shape out .
Apple ’s in this weird kind of , I would n’t call it a hold pattern , but we do n’t acknowledge yet what the metre is for Apple Silicon . The M2 came out 18 month after the M1 , which is okay , that ’s good , but then nothing else . The residual of the yr , they did n’t do anything with it . So the iMac coming up on two years .
JC : They were hypothecate to do the pros and max and hooey , and then I call up those were intended to be at the end of this year . There was production delays and stuff like that that were out of their hands . It ’s all on the side of like TSMC and the others . Flextronics , all the people who in reality make these things have had time lag and they ’re look at where ’s our volume ? What do we require to do ? What we really need to do is iPhone 14 Pro is where we demand to put all our legs in that basket right now .
MS : They had a job with that too , production delays .
JC : Well , that ’s what I mean . That ’s why they demand to … Yeah . That ’s why they ’re not going to divide up their circumscribed yield capability to do these other things .
MS : Listen , the M1 Pro , Macs , MacBooks , they ’re fantastic laptop and they ’re on sale all over the place for like $ 400 or $ 500 off , which is just laughably good .
JC : Yeah . Honestly , all the stuff that would be cool about an update is the stuff they got this yr , like the display and all that other stuff .
MS : Yes . Right . Nothing else is vary . If nothing else is changing , it would just be the chip .
JC : Yeah . Yeah . And going from the M1 to the M2 , it ’s not a huge … I mean , what we ’ve hear in the M1 and M2 , it ’s not a Brobdingnagian leap . I do n’t expect the M1 Pro and Max , the M2 Pro and Max to be like , earth - shake either . RL : Moving on to the next major ware category , that ’s the iPhone .
G : Look at the iPhone being third in 2023 Do we really gestate anything big from the iPhone in 2023 ?
MS : Well , I stand for we say this every twelvemonth that this is the year but this does look like the class I mean , so , USB - C number one is monolithic . If Apple actually does dump them . Now they do n’t have to do that , so the rule says by late 2024 , I think it was November or December 2024 , so Apple could technically free the iPhone 15 and 16 with lightning and still abide by with the EU law .
But all rumors say that they ’re going to get ahead of that ball and the iPhone 15 , all role model will dump lightning for USBC , which would be if nothing else changes and there are a circle of other changes that are come . But if nothing else changes , that ’s vast . That ’s a vast change .
JC : And just ignoring sort of the convenience and possible information rate , it ’s possible that they make them faster accuse than is potential with Lightning . USB - C can wield that . Whether the speech sound can or not is another situation , but I think their burster limit is as much about Lightning currently as it is about the phone .
MS : I fit in . Yeah , there are Android phones that go up to like 100 Isaac Watts . you could go , Apple does what ? 18 , 20 , what was it ? 18 ? Yeah , so they can go way , means faster .
RL : And then Apple will push that as a jumbo discovery .
MS : Yeah . Listen , Apple is not going to do like a 150 or something . It would go to like 25 , but that ’s still a significant change .
JC : That ’s one . The camera is supposed to be a big deal . They are supposedly using new sensor from Sony . They ’ve been using kind of quondam sensing element from Sony for the most part in most of these tv camera . When you toil into the teardowns and they find the role model numbers , there are these four , five - year - honest-to-goodness sensors , with the exception of maybe that 48 - megapixel sensor in the Pro now . There ’s a new sensor coming from Sony next year that ’s imagine to be two or three clip more sensible to collecting photons and turning them into act . They ’re supposedly using that . They ’re supposedly doing the periscope lens for the telephotograph . It could be a large camera rise , at least in the Pro manakin .
MS : That could be the periscope camera . We ’ve hear rumors that that might be limit to the iPhone 15 Pro Max , which is going to be renamed the iPhone 15 Ultra . But I do n’t know . Yeah , who hump ?
Just quick about the cameras . So Tim Cook break to Japan , and sent out a tweet that says , “ We ’ve been partnering with Sony for over a decade to create the creation ’s leading camera sensing element for iPhone and many thanks to people who figure out there . ”
I do n’t know if Apple has ever publically recognise that it works with Sony for the camera sensor . I intend , maybe in like a keynote or something they mentioned it way back when , but it ’s not something that they often do . Something like that leads me to believe that , yes , they ’re serious about whatever their new thing is .
JC : They ’ve recognize it to the same capacity as this is . It would be in a tweet or in a side matter . It ’s never in their formal world – nothing is . They never say who makes their displays . They never say their displays are made by Samsung or LG or any of those things . Same thing pass on here .
MS : Yeah , but it ’s interesting that Cook would be there call it out now .
JC : To pile on that confederacy in the flavor of look ahead to next class , there are multiple producer in that same metropolis that … first of all , Sony is supposed to be supplying them witha display for the AR headset . There ’s a Flextronics manufacturing facility there , I believe . All in the same location is about half the stuff they need for the AR headset . He may be extend there not to babble out about their camera sensors for the iPhone . He may have nip that , but he may be there to have coming together about the AR headset clobber . MS : This is Kumamoto , Japan . iPhone 15 Ultra is allegedly go to make an appearing , so That ’s going to be the rebranding of the iPhone 15 Pro Max , possibly titanium , Thunderbolt , like the real form of radical pro treatment that it has n’t really have . Right now , the Pro Max is just a bigger version of the Pro . So there ’s a wad of rumour that say that it ’s going to have a bunch of sole feature for that model .
JC : And I separate you , I hate that so much .
MS : No , I agree . And I say that as someone who buys the largest phone , but you should n’t have to buy a 6.7 - inch headphone just to get the best material . JC : Right . Because there are veridical serviceability issues with that size of it for some people . It does n’t fit in your pocket . It ’s too liberal for some multitude ’s hands , yada , yada . I totally love that you have two size choice for the same phone . When they ’re no longer the same earphone , I ’m go to be like , no , that ’s not , I do n’t require to get this giant .
MS : Yeah . They did this once before , I want to say with the iPhone 12 , where the Pro Max had a slightly proficient camera but it was n’t anywhere near as large of a gap as you ’re going to get or as rumored to get in September . It ’s like the Apple Watch Ultra . So that one is bigger and you get a ton of stuff . However , the masses who would corrupt that are gon na want a watch that size . If you want the dive hooey and the urine opposition and the hike and the hardness and all that other stuff and nonsense that come up with it , you want a 49 - millimeter , 50 - millimeter watch . So that make sense to me .
JC : And all the challenger in that space are boastful honking watch . That ’s what radical - durable watches are like .
MS : With what we ’re translate about the iPhone 15 Ultra , iPhone 15 Pro users would want the same features in a 6.1 - column inch sound . No one ’s going to say , well , I do n’t involve a better television camera . I do n’t need a faster USB - nose candy larboard . I do n’t need a titanium frame or any of that stuff . Everyone ’s going to need that . Apple is making you not only rise to a higher version , but we ’re also hearing that it ’s going to probably cost a little bit more , which also makes horse sense .
JC : Oh , yeah .
MS : $ 100 or $ 200 more . At some point , it reaches where you ’re snuff it to start turn people away or turning people off by doing that . Apple is not the only one . Samsung does it too . They have a Galaxy S22 Ultra that also has single features and it ’s a with child jumbo phone and it ’s expensive and all that poppycock . Apple is far from being the only companionship who ’s doing this .
JC : One has to wonder if they ’re going to do both and it ’s getting lost in the rumor shuffle , they ’re fail to have iPhone 15 Pro at 6.1 and 6.7 inches . And then also the Ultra , which is only in 6.7 column inch and has all these extra features and cost more .
MS : Sure . So Pro , Pro Max and an Ultra . Yeah , maybe . Sure . I ’d be fine with it . Give people the choice to spend the excess 200 bucks on all those feature . Sure .
JC : But I ’ll tell you , I long for a Ti phone .
MS : Me too . Yeah .
JC : Because it ’s so light . And I do n’t care what it look like because I put a cause on it . Like , if it has the raw titanium await like the lookout , I do n’t care in casing .
MS : I ’m fine with that . I never look at , sometimes I forget what colouring material iPhone I have . I never look at the back of my phone .
RL : So that ’s the iPhone . What about the iPad ? So we ’ve got kind of this perplexing lineup now . Does Apple tidy up that out next year ?
MS : It does n’t look like it .
JC : The rumors are it gets bad because there are two dissimilar rumors of large iPads , 14 and a 16 or 17 , I recollect . That ’s like 16.9 . So , and we do n’t know if either of them will come out or just one of them or both , but the ideas that they ’ve been exploring , what do we do with a jumbo iPad ? Which I actually think is a nerveless idea . I opine for people who …
MS : I do n’t mind that either . Yeah . As like a class equipment , learn film , playing games with multiple people . Yeah . It could have its intention .
JC : I actually retrieve it ’d be terrible for that because it ’s not expire to be priced for that . It ’s going to be a professional affair . It ’s going to be M2 . It ’s going to be huge . It ’s going to have … they already had HDR and all this stuff , but as a mechanical drawing table of sorts , a portable drawing off gimmick for the people who do that sort of stuff , midland designers , all that other architects and everybody else who cast on their iPad a lot , they believably love a 16 - inch version , you know , and they ’d run out there and pass two thou to get it .
RL : The Apple Watch seemed like it engender its major changes this yr . So maybe incremental updates this yr ?
MS : We have n’t heard any rumors yet about what that would be . There will be a Series 9 . There will probably be an Ultra 2 or whatever they call it . But apart from maybe a raw crisp , well , we have n’t even gotten the raw chip . They just keep renaming the quondam chip . I do n’t even know if there will be a new silicon chip . Maybe a detector . There have been sensing element rumor , but it still seems like they ’re a little bit too far out , glucose monitoring things like that . I do n’t sleep with if they ’re quick yet .
JC : That ’s kind of what ’s going on with the eight . The eight is very much like the seven , it ’s very much like the six . They ’ve been on these very balmy updates . Rumors are n’t telling us to have a bun in the oven anything different than that this year . It ’s go to be like you enunciate , it ’s not going to be meaningfully different in terms of electric battery lifetime , carrying out , any of these things . It ’ll have a new feature or two , like a fresh sensor or a slightly unlike unexampled feature film . Mostly it ’s going to be a new name , maybe some new colors .
MS : There ’ll be something to place it aside , but we have n’t heard anything about sizes or redesign . There was that flat redesign , but it seems as though that was the Ultra that got that face and that kind of got lost in translation unless they play the Ultra look to the Series 9 to kind of pair the look , who know ? But I would n’t expect anything huge out of the Apple Watch , but it ’ll be the same terms and it ’ll be a little turn better . And if you desire one , you know , great .
JC : I sense like Apple Watch should be at a two - year meter like the iPhone SE .
MS : I jibe . Yeah .
RL : Yeah . I wonder if that Ultra is go to be a two - year meter and we wo n’t see an update for it .
MS : Yeah , I could see that . The SE on a two - year measure , as Jason just enounce – not even . It barely get an update last year or this class . It got a Modern micro chip . This past year was a very unsatisfying year . Crash detection and that was it . Yeah . I mean , it ’s a ok watch for $ 249 . There ’s nothing wrong with it . But Apple could have given us one of those newfangled detector . All it has is the pump rate sensor . Anything , like ECG or always on - display or rip oxygen , something that ’s on the later models .
RL : What about the HomePod ? We have n’t seen anything about the HomePod in a while .
JC : There are a few interesting little rumour that we do n’t really know if any of them are give way to come together into a product in 2023 , but they were purportedly working on something that ’s fundamentally a soundbar with an Apple TV establish - in . So it ’d be like a HomePod virgule Apple television in a soundbar - similar form factor . You addict it up to your television set , but you may also just talk to it and run music . you may practice HDMI input and yield , yada , yada , and peradventure a camera . Then you could FaceTime on your TV from your animation room . That would be a slick mathematical product . I mean they could sell a dear number of those . People buy legal parallel bars . It ’d be a bully way to say , bet , upgrade your TV sound , get an Apple television receiver , do all the HomePod material , FaceTime from your life room . That ’d be pretty cool .
The other one is a HomePod that either has a show or sequester an iPad as a display , a HomePod with a display to compete with all the … the Google , what are they call ? Nest Hub and Echo Shows and hooey like that . Also something they could very well use . The only rationality I still have Google Homes in my sign is because , I have one in the kitchen and I value the filmdom . I really want the screen door in my kitchen . I habituate it constantly for the screen . Putting a HomePod there would not cut it . If it could , if I could put a HomePod with a silver screen there , I ’d be all HomePod .
RL : Yeah , I have an Echo Show – well , actually , I have an Echo Spot . It ’s that old circular one that I buy many , many years ago in the kitchen as well that I use all the time . I would perfectly get on with the screen or a docking iPad , whatever it is for that smudge . It seems to be that Apple is kind of lose the boat . It would be a very democratic Cartesian product if it’s – I’m take it ’s not like 500 Pearl Sydenstricker Buck . If it ’s like 299 or something .
JC : No , it ’d be 500 clam .
MS : I conceive they would do it .
JC : I cogitate if it does n’t have … if you supply your own iPad , it could be like 200 long horse . It could be like 200 bucks and you bob an iPad . If it ’s incur a built - in presentation or comes with a extra iPad that you could just undock and it ’s an iPad but it ’s only this affair , anything like that , it ’s going to be at least 500 bucks . I do n’t put it past Apple to go that itinerary , it would suckle but it ’s possible .
JC : I mean , they have to think the competition because the Echo shows , I imply , those things are on cut-rate sale for like 50 , 60 dollar all the time . The Google Nest is like 200 . If theirs total in at like seven or eight , like they ’re not start to sell any of them . So they have to like they did with HomePod mini , like they acquire their moral . All justly , so people , do n’t want a $ 400 HomePod , they want a $ 100 HomePod . I do n’t know how well it ’s sell but it ’s drive to be sell better than the original HomePod , I would assume . I mean if they ’re going to amount out with such a machine , and they should , as Jason say , there ’s a million reason why it would be great–349 , I recollect it has to be in that general region for it , to be successful .
JC : Sort of the third HomePod rumor we heard in brief was that the larger HomePod will make a return but re - architected to be much more affordable to manufacture . But it wo n’t be the mini . It ’ll just be the sound seedpod like the original HomePod , but not so expensive to make and would n’t have to cost as much . And that ’s a possible action as well .
I really do think some sort of HomePod thing is run to happen in 2023 , other than just like new colors for your HomePod mini . There ’s gon na be something . I retrieve OG HomePod is going to get the Apple television treatment where they just made an Apple TV 4 K that is significantly less expensive and kind of good . They just re - mastermind it to be more low-cost to invent for them and it ’s better . I think that ’s believably what we can expect out of like a HomePod resurgence .
RL : Do we await anything from the AirPods lineup in 2023 other than update ?
MS : They still apply Lightning on their case . So that ’s the thing that could happen with the iPhone where they update just the casing .
JC : That ’s the most unyielding affair is that they ’ll update nothing but the pillow slip to the USB - C.
MS : And also the Maxs has a couple of year out now .
JC : Mm - hmm .
MS : It ’s been two years , just about right now , it ’s been two years . So maybe something dissimilar with their information do n’t have the raw adaptive transparency . They could add the better Bluetooth , Bluetooth 5.2 , whatever it is that the new AirPods got .
JC : There ’s a raw cow chip in the new AirPods Pro . They can put that in there . They could do that . perchance a span of new colors .
MS : They could do that .
JC : If they could plane half the system of weights off , they ’d have something . It ’s really the key affair .
MS : And a bit of the Mary Leontyne Price .
JC : It is priced too much , but it ’s priced too much in that way . orchard apple tree poppycock is priced too much . If it got all the new AirPods , second - gen AirPods Pro feature film and technology with improved strait and they got the weight down , they could deal them at that cost . There are the great unwashed out there now who want to buy the Max or need them . You see them in TV online and stuff like that . You see people wearing them .
RL : Any iCloud changes ? Is Apple finally going to deepen the 5 GB ?
RL : No . Never . I ca n’t wait when you could corrupt a $ 90,000 Apple car and you still get 5 gigs of iCloud .
JC : Yeah , we ’ll be at the point where five gig is the combining weight of 50 M today . That ’ll still be what you get for free .
RL : Yeah .
JC : It ’ll be like , five gigs , that ’s three photos of my topnotch high gigapixel photos that I have now .
MS : And you cognise , it ’s easy to say , well , it ’s only a dollar a month . But I could turn that on Apple and say , it ’s only a dollar a month . Just give us the affair . We ’re spending $ 1,000 plus on their earphone . And you basically at this dot you kind of have to devote for something . My parents have refused to give . Now I include them in my kinsperson programme so they have all the storage they take . But for age I would tell my dad , like , it ’s a one dollar bill a month , just ante up . “ No , I ’m not doing it . ” He refused to pay for it . He recognise he paid like a hundred times more than that for your earpiece . About a thousand times more than that for your phone . But he just , you know , some people just principle they wo n’t do it .
JC : I ’m sympathetic to the idea that the literary argument is the opposite word . Well , I just expend a hundred time that for my telephone . They should give it to me . Right . Yeah , kind of . It ’s a gajillion dollar , it ’s a two trillion one dollar bill company sitting on top of like $ 200 billion in cash . They could just give me 10 G .
MS : They ’re literally giving their money away . They have so much of it . Every one-quarter , they give away billions of dollars because they do n’t know what to do with it . But they ca n’t give you 15 gigs of iCloud reposition .
JC : Right . Yeah . I just …
RL : I saved the most important ware that could come out next year for last . And we still do n’t know if it ’s last to come out . And that ’s the third season of Ted Lasso .
JC : It ’s fit to come .
MS : Yeah . I think so . I think they filmed it last year , I trust , correct ?
JC : They just finish up it . Yeah , they finish shoot it a few calendar week ago .
RL : I call back back in March . Or yeah , oh , they did principal photography . It was done back in March . So they ’re in output with it now . They have n’t announced a freeing date for Ted Lasso . The hearsay are that it ’s going to be the last season , but that has n’t been confirmed .
MS : I think they ’re die to tie it in with the MLS , the Major League Soccer launch . They ’ll do something with that . You know , there ’ll be some bombilation about association football and then they ’ll say , Oh , Ted Lasso is either they secrete it or they foretell it or something . Yeah , like that .
MS : They just catch a crew of Golden Globe Awards for Severance , not awards , nominations for Severance . So they ’re still chugging along with their Apple TV Plus programs . Bunch of year - goal lists had that . I have n’t see it . I conceive it ’s called Pachinko .
RL : I have n’t seen that either . Yeah .
MS : But it ’s supposed to be very good . Final time of year of , what is that show ? I watched it , I ca n’t remember the name . The M. Night Shyamalan show with the baby .
JC : Servant .
MS : Servant , yes . That ’s eat up up in January . Morning Show will probably arrive back next twelvemonth . I mean , there ’s some impulse there .
JC : Yeah . And there ’s lots of new stuff on the path . I ca n’t get away from the ads for Spirited . I mean , they ’re starting to really market this material . And yeah , they ’ve got some full poppycock on the direction .
MS : Spirited was pretty good . It could have been dependable . than better . But it was good . I care it . I watched it with my son . We all care it . I ’m not going to run back to watch it again . It ’s not like Christmas Story where you got to watch it every class . But it was okay .
RL : It ’s not a vacation tradition ?
JC : Yeah . They ’re never going to tick Muppet Christmas Carol . I ’m deplorable . The best edition , that ’s not just me like the Muppets . Just ask me , the best version of Christmas Carol is the Muppet one , I will campaign you . And then —
MS : It ’s also the best Christmas record is also the Muppets .
JC : It ’s reliable . And then the – what ’s its name ? If you want a mod interpretation , it ’s hard to beat the Bill Murray Scrooge , right ?
RL : Yeah , that ’s good . That ’s true .
MC : Every Christmas Eve , I watch over go Hard every year . I would n’t die on that hill that that ’s a Christmas movie . There are plenty of good Christmas movies .
JC : Lethal Weapon is a Christmas movie . The first one . All right . If you just need an exculpation to watch military action flick .
RL : To enwrap this up , do you guys have any Apple predictions that we did n’t talk about , about the company , about …
JC : Wacky predictions out that way out there hooey . I actually recall that the mixed reality headset thing , I do n’t even give it a 50 - 50 luck of actually shipping to customers next yr . At best , a dev outfit . I think there ’s like a 20 percent chance that even customers will be capable to buy one and get it next class .
Has anybody stepped down ? There are some really fourth-year - spirit level White House who ’ve been there forever .
RL : There have been a few .
JC : And it ’s like , is it sentence for anybody to maltreat down or move on ?
I was going to make my off - the - rampart prevision that Tim Cook will harbinger that he will retire in five years . He kind of say it in an interview .
MS : Here ’s the citation . It was with Kara Swisher at the time with the New York Times . This was from 2021 . Not that long ago . I do n’t know what the motion was , but the answer was , “ Ten more yr ? Probably not . But I can tell you that I feel expectant right now and the mean solar day is not in spate . But ten more years is a long time and probably not ten more years ” is what he said . That ’s the precise quote , but that brings us to 2030 , which is plenty of fourth dimension . And I would n’t blame them to be reliable , you know , another cluster of years of this stuff , I stand for , it ’s a moderately nerve-wracking gig . Like I ’m sure it ’s not as fun as it attend from where we ’re sit .
JC : Yeah . We just see the good part .
RL : There were reports that he wanted to do one last major Cartesian product first appearance . And the headset seems like that ’s it .
MS : He ’s been peach about AR for a foresightful fourth dimension , not in any real production way , but in the excitement around it and the potential difference for a genuine discovery platform . He defend AR a draw . So yes , I do think that this is his iPhone . But he did AirPods , he did Apple Watch . He ’s done a bunch of great iPhones , the iPad Pro , he ’s done .
JC : He ’s been prove to make a gondola for 10 age . Not really an exaggeration .
MS : The question is what comes after Tim Cook ? Who ’s next ? I mean , as Jason said , a caboodle are honest-to-goodness . A few have left . Johnny I ve pull up stakes , Phil Schiller left . So I do n’t get it on who replaces . possibly Elon Musk .
RL : We work almost an minute without mentioning Elon Musk . Well , if my prevision holds true , we ’ll have five years to figure that out .
MS : Yeah , I conceive we get a crew of clip . Tim Cook seems like a very hardheaded person , so I would n’t be surprised if he has a set planned out . But I do n’t reckon he ’s just drop dead to up and say , you have intercourse what , I ’m done . Here ’s a press release . See you . I do n’t recollect it ’s pass to , you know , barring any tragedy .
JC : Here ’s the matter , not needfully ware come to , but something we can , we ’ll see throughout 2023 is we will proceed to see Apple diversifying where it manufactures product .
MS : Yeah .
JC : It ’s being write about as they ’re looking to get out of China . I do n’t conceive that ’s true . I call up they will make as many products in China as they do now . I recall they will also make more product elsewhere . India is a crowing one , probably some in Mexico or South America , some in the U.S. like Arizona and stuff like that . Not just chips being , manufactured but like full intersection forum and everything . I consider they ’ve just kind of realized there was a lot of efficiency to being kind of cardinal But it ’s not very durable . When something happens , you ’re kind of hosed . There are a lot of fellowship with big import excise taxes and stuff like India that they need to bolster manufacture worldwide and pass around it out . So we ’re pass away to see that . We ’re pass to see a lot of that throughout the yr .
MS : Yeah , I think so too . And China , it ’s almost impossible for Apple to just break invent thing in China for not just next twelvemonth , for like a decade from now . I mean , there ’s so much of their manufacture and their full supplying range is hooked up with China . But I do recollect that they are realise a conscious travail to diversify as much as they can .
JC : Yeah . It ’s like , will they ever make the iPhone in the U.S. ? possibly if they make a model , veracious ? Maybe the SE is made in like …
MS : They make the Mac Pro .
RL : Right . Kind of like what they did with the Mac Pro . Yeah .
MS : Yeah . I ’m sure they sell more sulfur than Mac Pros , but yeah . I mean , obviously , it ’s all about the bottom furrow . They do n’t work with China because they know it there . They work in China because it ’s the most price - effective style to make stuff . So it ’s not just them , it ’s everybody . So this is something that they ’re going to have to sit down down and figure out . And Tim Cook is that guy like he ’s an operations guy cable . He sleep with what he ’s doing when it comes to all of that stuff .
JC : Oh mankind , he ’s scale up manufacturing to such a idiotic stage compared to where it was before him . They ’re already speak about how many they ’re going to triple output in India and all these other thing . Some of this stuff you ’ll see starting next year , some of this hooey you ’ll see the design and it ’ll bulge in 2024 or whatever , but I think those will happen .
Another prediction just popped in my psyche . We will not get Apple ’s cellular modem next year . It is not going to encounter .
MS : Ever ? hold back , you entail ever or next year ?
JC : No , not next yr . Will it ever occur ? I think they ’re going to hear their just , but it ’s not go to happen next yr . I think Qualcomm again next year .
MS : Yeah , I call up so too . There ’s a ground why no other major chip maker makes a viable 5 G modem because they ’re not easy and Qualcomm does it really well .
JC : I mean , Intel could n’t hack it . They adjudicate . They made a secondly - good 4 gravitational constant modem that was not even secondly - best . It was a significant opening for a while .
MS : But Samsung , none of the major company that make check , just flake , they have n’t been able to collapse it . Apple ’s sample . They have Intel ’s team . They have their own squad . They ’ve been do work on it for many year . But I agree with Jason . I do n’t think it ’s going to happen this year . I would n’t be surprised if it does n’t happen next twelvemonth either .
JC : I would not be surprised by that either .
RL : That does it for this instalment of the Macworld Podcast , episode 820 . Thanks to Jason Cross .
JC : Thank you .
RL : Thanks to Michael Simon .
MS : Thank you , sir .
